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welcome to "newsroom international." i'm suzanne malveaux. oprah winfrey says disgraced cycling lance armstrong lied for more than a decade about doping.
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she was mez rememberized by answers armstrong gave about the cheating that won him seven tour de france titles. she's now stripped of the titles. they sat down for a 2 1/2 hour interview yesterday in austin, texas. oprah brought 112 questions to ask him and she says it's the biggest interview of her career. she says, however, it was not easy. here what happens she told cbs this morning. >> yes, i think the entire interview was -- was difficult, and may i just say that we had agreed before this moment, before the interview, we had agreed that the terms of the interview and what was included in the interview, specifically, what was included in the interview, would -- would be left for people to make their own judgments about and that i would not be discussing or he would not be discussing or confirming. we agreed to that. by the time i left austin and landed in chicago, you all had already confirmed it.
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so i'm like, how did you all do that? we all agreed that we weren't going to say anything. so i'm sitting here now because it's already been confirmed. >> want to bring in dave zyron, author of the book "game over, how politics have turned the sports world upside down." dave, first of all, not a big shock in terms of all of the rumors that have circulated for years and years. the shock, however that he finally came clean. what does this mean for the sports of cycling? >> what it means for cycling they need to get started now on a massive reformation process of their sport itself because, make no mistake about it, lance armstrong is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to performance enhancing drugs and cheating in the world of cycling. lance armstrong won seven tour de france titles. the reason why now that the titles have been stripped and haven't given to the second place finishers, every second place finisher has been found
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implicated in performance enhancing drugs. the sport makes major league baseball look clean in comparison. it makes las vegas look like salt lake city. it's just the sort of thing that they need to actually now get started and prove that this wasn't just about chasing lance armstrong, the big white whale, this wasn't just about going after him which lance armstrong and his defenders said, this business cleaning up the sport. >> how do they even start that process when you talk about this? this is a sport that doesn't seem to have all that much legitimacy when you look at top level cyclists around the globe now. >> yeah. i mean it's very difficult to get started in terms of cleaning up the sport. the first reason is that the sport itself is very dangerous. if you have the same number of deaths in the national football league that you've had in competitive cycling over the last 20 years there would be congressional investigations on a monthly basis. it's incredibly physically demanding. what they're asked to, particularly in the tour de france in terms of biking up the face of the pyrenees, 35, 40 miles an hour, many cyclists who
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i have spoken to said the drugs we are taking, survival drugs, we're trying to increase oba oxygenation of our blood. how do you do it so that it's safe, bikes are feel they can compete if without putting themselves at risk? that's what cycling faces now. >> talk about lance's own career here. you have said before, and people agree, he did the interview because he wants the u.s. anti-doping agency to lift the lifetime ban on him and go ahead in his future, perhaps compete in triathlons, other events, is this something that will actually work? >> it's a great question. he's attempting to do the public relations equivalent of the eye of the needle, not only dioes h have to show the anti-doping agency that they were right, he was wrong, he's contrite, but he
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has to not reveal too much because if he does there's a conga line of lawyers ready to sue for him $100 million fortune for all of the time his countersued, won libel suits against newspapers, there's the justice department that wants to claim $30 million from him perhaps because of the u.s. postal service endorsement. he's attempting to do something very difficult with his interview and that's what i'm looking to watch. not only did he admit it but how much he revealed. >> why now, why did he come clean with oprah, oprah admits she didn't get a clearancer. listen. >> i asked that question and i'm not sure i still have the answer to that question, why he wanted to do it now. i specifically asked that question. i think he was just -- he was just ready. i think the velocity of everything that's come at him in the past several months, particularly the past several weeks, he was just ready.
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>> dave, is there any vantage for him to coming clean now? >> well, i don't know about now, the timing of now. but i have two theories based on people i've spoken to around lance armstrong for why now that make a lot of sense. the first is that the guy's a competition junkie. and he actually has a passion for wanting to compete in these triathlon events, sorry about the word junkie, not the best for a drugstory. but he wants to compete in triathlons. he has a lifetime ban. he wants to figure out how to get back in the game, so to speak. the other reason is that he's put off by the description in the report which is backed up by a ton of eyewitnesss that makes him sound less like a run of the mill p.e. d. user and tony soprano of cycling someone operating a ring of performance enhancing drug users. he takes exception to the description and he needs to figure out how to challenge it
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while not upsetting usada. this is like cycling through the eye of a needle. >> i have to say, i mean, hearing this story, it is so disturbing. it is so profoundly disappointing, right, you want to root for the guy and think, maybe, maybe he was telling the truth, maybe there was some truth in what he was saying here because he lied for so many years. can people forgive him? can his fans, sports fans, people who are behind him at livestrong think any differently of him? can he possibly rehabilitate his image. >> i think that's going to be really hard for him to do for a number of reasons. not the least of which is that he's done with competitive cycling, no matter what. he's 41 years old, that's done. one thing life learned from the world of sports over the last 20 years whether looking at ray lewis, michael vick, roger clemens at end of his career, barry bonds, when you choose to come forward says everything about how the public will forgive you. if you go back on to the field and achieve and perform, the
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playing field is like lords, you dip yourself in, it forgives all sins. if you do at the end of the career you're labeled with a drug cheat and much more difficult, no matter how many good works to in turn be forgiven. >> i don't know how he gets over this. he was a cancer survivor, the whole livestrong, the whole movement he had behind him in the country. dave, thanks for your perspective. more in the next hour on the disgrace, the fall of lance armstrong. also following international stories. pakistan's government under fire on two fronts. first the supreme court ordered the arrest of the country's prime minister, number of officials over corruption allegations. the second, you've got protesters they have filled streets of the capital in islamabad. they are on the main boulevard leading up to the president's residence, the national assembly and the supreme court led by a muslim cleric, thousands of people are calling for pakistan's leaders to be thrown out in favor of a caretaker
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government. i want to bring in and get more from sima. if you could, explain to us why the unrest in pakistan now? why do they want the prime minister to step down? >> reporter: well, suzanne, this is an embattled government right now, seemingly out of nowhere the protests erupted the muslim cleric from canada returned to pakistan calling for a million man march and on the same day the supreme court, which had been looking into allegations of kickbacks regarding two years ago in 2011 now has ordered the government forces and the police to issue arrest warrants and investigate the case. at the time it was a ministry of water and power involved in this and the ministry of water and power, with the man today,
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pakistan's prime minister. an arrest warrant for him this evening. also he's been comptroller, not a great day at office. >> we're having a little difficulty hearing you because of the protests behind you. can you describe, paint a picture what you're seeing behind you, all of the shouting, what is taking place? >> reporter: yeah, sorry i'm not sure if i heard your question right either. let me give you a sense where we're at. we're overlooking the protests right now. not the million man march but certainly tens of thousands of people. my cameraman is going to point down to you. so right down here is the main boulevard leading up to those government buildings you mentioned. and if we look into the distance here, over my shoulder, those white lights are leading to the presidential house, to the national assembly. so they are only a few hundred meters away. they're literally on the doorsteps. those are women chanting.
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there are thousands of women here, men, women, children, entire families who say they are here for their children's future, they're here for the future of pakistan. what are they chanting for? they're calling for change. they're calling for electoral reform. while this might seem a good thing it does have a lot of controversy behind it, suzanne because only three months ago until this could potentially be the first democratic government in pakistan's entire history, believe it or not. so it would make it through to a full term. while this call for change perhaps seems timely, it's also controversial because it seems to be trying to pull down the government. >> and saima, that's significant, they're trying to pull down the government. you have a real situation, a lot of women in pakistan, we saw the traditional garb they have. any sense that this is going to be a peaceful demonstration? could this turn into something that is more violent or chaotic?
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there is clearly a lot of emotion down there. describe for us what that is like. >> reporter: absolutely. they are very emotional. they're in if for the long haul. they brought their suitcases, blankets, they're here to stay. they've been here two nights already. it's extremely cold. but they're very resilient. it shows their faith in this march and what they're calling for, of course. now so far it's been incredibly well-organized. throughout the day, we've had announcements calling for people to stay peaceful, to remain calm, to deliver their message in a peaceful and calm way. however, earlier this morning, though, reports of police claimed the police had come it arrest him and they fired aerial shots to disperse the crowd when a lot of the women in fact, from the protesters surged forward to stop the police, depending on which side of the fence you
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stand on, we're not sure who fired those shots or where they came from. also, suzanne, very quickly, just want to say that he came out an hour or so ago and told the protesters to stay there, not move until all assemblies in pakistan's provinces are dissolved. >> you keep us posted. let us know how this develops on the streets there. it is clearly a very important thing taking place. the fact you have thousands of protesters, including women out there on the streets in pakistan, demanding change in their own government. this is, of course, a place that u.s. relations has strained relations with because of some of the ties to terrorists and to al qaeda in that country. that is where osama bin laden, as you know, was captured and killed. more what we're working on for newsro"newsroom internatio." the french military launched an attack on a tiny town in mali.
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battle against islamic extremists is becoming even more violent. this is in the west african nation of mali. there is an international effort now to keep rebels linked to al qaeda out of the capital. france is taking the lead, and french fighter jets and attack helicopters are now being used in air strikes on the rebels. this has been happening for several daze now. the u.n. and west african nations are deciding whether or
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not to get involved even more. both the u.s. and the uk have promised limited support. i want to bring in vladimir following developments. we've got the french military, you've got 750 of the troops out there. they are on the ground in mali. we know that those troop numbers are going to increase. why is the french, why are they so involved in what is taking place on the ground? >> reporter: well, suzanne, for france, they see this as a threat to the very existence of mali as we knew it before the muslim extremists took it over in march 2012. they see that if there was to be a muslim extremist group taking over a country like mali, establishing an islamic foot hole in west africa that could destabilize all of africa and european interests. there are 6,000 french residents living in mali at the moment. france was waiting for a contingent of west african
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soldiers under the banner of the economic community of west african states to deploy a contingent of 3500 soldiers. that wasn't slated to happen until september. once the strategic town of kona was attacked last week and muslim extremists were making headways towards the capital, france felt it had to take action. >> vlad, we know mali was a former french cologny but there are people around the world involved trying to make sure that these extremists don't take over. give us a sense of what's at stake here. we have been talking for months about really the radical, radical changes that have been taking place as al qaeda took over timbuktu, you had all kinds of attacks taking place and they want to put in and install sharia law. explain to us what they're trying to do. >> reporter: that's exactly right, suzanne. the extremists havise implement their strict interpretation of sharia law. since march 2012 there have been public executions, amputations,
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stoning and floggings. we have video of a man being amputated and another man being flogged, disturbing images. this is what's happening on the ground in northern mali. the u.n. says hundreds of thousands of people have been displaced since the start of s hostilities. the united states will battle al qaeda wherever they are. leon panetta said they are prepared to help france and offer any aid that they could in the form of intelligence gathering, in the form of reconnaissance and troop transportation. the uk's offered help. today i spoke to the army spokesman in nigeria, he says that 190 nigerian soldiers are on the ground in mali in 24 hours and we expect another 700 in the coming days ahead. >> thank you for the update. keep us posted on what is taking place. there's a lot at stake in mali. for almost two years now, civil
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war has been raging in syria. human rights groups, they have been tracking the bloodshed. we'll talk to the head of one of those groups and find out what is really happening on the ground.'d it go? well, dad, i spent my childhood living with monks learning the art of dealmaking. you've mastered monkey-style kung fu? no. priceline is different now. you don't even have to bid. master hahn taught you all that? oh, and he says to say (translated from cantonese) "you still owe him five bucks." your accent needs a little work.
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both sides in syria's civil war attacked with deadly precision. two explosions rocked the university of aleppo, killing at least 15, wounding dozens more. rebels are blamed for the blast in an area controlled by the government. state tv described it as a
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terrorist attack. another 15 people were killed in hula province, the deaths said to be caused by government shelling. the bodies of the victims, including children, wrapped in cloth and collect for burial. rebels say at least 50 people killed across the country today. unrelenting attacks that forced people to stay out of syria, get out of syria by the thousands. george rupp is president of international rescue committee, helps victims of the world's worst humanitarian crisis. you returned from a trip, jordan, turkey, to figure out what is happening with the refugee crisis. how many people are we talking about, and where are they? >> well, there are over 600,000 refugees and they are in all of the neighbors that syria has. in jordan in lebanon, in turkey in iraq.
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those 600,000 are growing rapidly. over 3,000 new refugees a day cross border. in a matter of months 600,000 will become a million. >> george, what did you see? can you tell me? i'm sorry, what did you see when you went to the camps, when you saw the conditions and how refugees are living. >> suzanne, the first points the vast majority of refugees are not in camps. there's a lot of coverage of camps because they're the easiest places to go where you see significant numbers. let me give you the breakdown. lebanon, 100% of refugees are not in camps. in jordan, 80% are not in camps. in iraq, it's about 50%. it's only in turkey that a majority, 70% are in camps. overall, over all, 3/4 of the refugees are not in camps. instead, they're living with local citizens, usually in the poorest neighborhoods, in warehouses, in little corners
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that they can find space within other people's houses. and desperate shape. >> why is that? why are they living with other families as opposed to refugee camps? is the situation to bad that they'd rather live with families? >> there are no camps in most places. so the camps that had been built in turkey were built by the government and even they are now overfull so there are people on the border who can't get into turkey and also some who are living outside of camps, about 30%. but in lebanon, there has -- there isn't a tradition of camps. they have instead families have allowed people to live in their neighborhoods. in jordan the government has, in the past, made available educational health services for refugees. it's only very recently that they've begun to build camps for the syrian refugees. >> what happens to all of these people? do they stay in other countries? is there a likelihood, a possibility that they can go back home to syria? >> well, we met with a great
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many of them and they have really agonizing stories about the situation back in their home country of targeted killings, abductions and terror, of sexual violations, kids who witnessed family members being killed. and yet inspite of that they very much express a desire to go back to syria, but the fact is they have no place to go back to, probably won't for some time. so we're talking about a long-term humanitarian emergency among the refugee communities outside of syria and even greater crisis inside syria, where there are over 2 million people displaced, another 2 million who have no food, shelter, way of coping with winter there. so the needs are enormous. the neighbors of syria have done a commendable job in extending hospitality to those who came across the border but they are being overwelled and it's time for the international community
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to step up to share some of the burden of dealing with these displaced people. >> george rupp, thank you so much. you'vestein firsthand. again, it is a travesty. a condition that a lot of people have to respond to. thousands now not able to return to their home country of syria. thank you, george. we're also following vice president biden handing over his ideas to the president for what he thinks should be done to deal with the gun violence that is in our country. find out what measures the white house is w thinking about. ttinus starts with arthritis pain and a choice. take tylenol or take aleve, the #1 recommended pain reliever by orthopedic doctors. just two aleve can keep pain away all day. back to the news. your doctor will say get smart about your weight. i tried weight loss plans... but their shakes aren't always made for people with diabetes. that's why there's glucerna hunger smart shakes. they have carb steady, with carbs that digest slowly to help minimize blood sugar spikes.
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over gun control. more details about vice president's proposals on stopping gun violence. recall, that biden held several meetings last week. groups of course that have a real interest in the gun debate. talking about who know those who have been shot, talking about gun owners. and also, people from the entertainment industry. according to one of the members on the task force, some of the proposals include several steps that the president could take on his own using executive orders. bring in jessica yellin from the white house to talk a little bit about this. jess, i understand you're reporting 19 different steps the president could act without congress to move this forward. how so? >> reporter: hi, suzanne. that's right. some of these things are just better enforcement of current laws and just stepping up the way that they administer the existing law. also, for example, asking the center for disease control to change the way they gather research on who owns guns.
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they haven't actually gathered that data in many years so they don't have a compilation of who in america has the guns, where they are. the big one, one of them, again, i should add, is reorganizing, for example, the bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms. wig bun everybody's talking about is redoing the way they do background checks because, for example, we don't have a very comprehensive system on the background checks. a lot of people who have records of mental health problems don't have those records transferred into the background check system. so people get, you know, go in to buy a gun, they have a problem even in the prison record system, and with a mental health program, and it doesn't get a ding, a hit, when you buy a gun, they want to change that. >> two different tracks that the white house is taking. they're going to try to work with congress, pushing for legislation, that they hope will be -- they'll cooperate with. on the other hand the executive orders. can you give us a sense for the timetable of both these tracks?
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>> reporter: they have to work with congress, as you're saying. executive orders they can handle on their own. it's the congressional track they have to move on quickly. here in washington you've got to strike when the iron's hot, use the momentum. i expect we'll see the president, they'll unveil these things, we're expecting an announcement tomorrow, expecting events at the white house. the vice president perhaps to make some statements and maybe some public figures to come out and endorse what they say. and then maybe the president will unveil some more of these proposals in his state of the union speech. and then they'll have to press it before congress. the challenge is, harry reid today said, as dana bash is recording, he doesn't think, for example, an assault weapons ban can get past the hour. there's going to be a little bit of jockeying to see how do you get this done. >> one of the things, too, no head of the atf, something they have not had in place. i imagine that's probably a priority, yes? >> reporter: i would imagine that would be something they would take care of rather
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quickly. >> all right. jess, thank you. of course, we're going to be keeping our eye on that briefing in briefing room at the white house. we expect there will be questions about some of those proposals, perhaps details, that we can learn there. taking a look at the podium, as soon as that starts, we'll probably dip in and see if there's any news coming out of that briefing. we'll be watching for all developments as well. the state of new york, it's not waiting for the federal government to push for tougher gun laws. the state assembly plans to vote on new regulations approved last night. last week governor andrew cuomo called on lawmakers to do something. this new bill is going to tighten the state ban on assault weapons and it also includes new measures to keep the guns out of the hands of mentally ill. quomo says people are demanding action after that recent massacre. >> this is a scourge on society. people have had to live through these tragedies.
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tragedy after tragedy after tragedy. people are sitting there saying, what point do we get it? >> so, if the full legislature actual lay proves this bill, new york would be the first state to pass new gun laws since that shooting that took place in newtown, connecticut. after decades of denial, lance armstrong is talking about doping that put him at the stop of cycling. he's telling oprah winfrey the full story.
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a one-time champion, well he's finally admitting the truth. oprah winfrey says that cycling superstar lance armstrong admitted to her that he lied for more than a decade about doping. bring in ed lavandera, he's following all of this at a bike shop in austin, texas. part of a shop that's owned by lance armstrong. i can't imagine what people are saying. >> reporter: well, this is a place called mellow johnny's in the heart of downtown austin not far from where the livestrong headquarters are where le went before the interview with oprah winfrey to apologize. this is a place of refuge for lance armstrong as the amount of support started to dry up. this is a place where they can find support. his picture's on the wall, seven
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yellow jerseys hanging up there. i talked to the general manager, craig staley, runs mellow johnny's here. he's known lance armstrong since they were teenagers growing up in the dallas, they used to race against each other. for people like craig, the news has been the hardest to handle as they see their friend kind of everything kind of come unraveling around him. he told me he had his suspiciouses for some thyme. but nonetheless, he's seen lance armstrong go through what he's going through this week. even though it's self-inflicted, it is very difficult. have you -- i mean have you lost faith in him? >> no, no. there's still a lot there. you know, there's still a lot of things that he's done and accomplished outside of the seven tour de france. that's everything right now is focused on that. when you take him, the person, look at all of the things he's done, people he's inspired, people he's helped with cancer,
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there's a much bigger story. i think that part of the story will start to come around. a lot of people are sort of abandoning him quickly. i think that -- i think that was in some ways a rush to judgment because i've known the guy a long time. story's not over and he's not finished. >> reporter: yeah. craig tells you, the tide and move toward lance armstrong has changed. even here in his hometown of austin, texas, a woman had bought a bike a few weeks ago, came back recently to return it. she said i don't want to buy a bike from that guy, lance armstrong. so, definitely very tough situation for lance armstrong. and that's why so many people will be watching the tone with which he confesses in this interview with oprah winfrey. i think that will go a long way toward kind of influencing what people's opinions coming out of this interview will be. remember, he's been defiant and steadfast and combative in many ways over the last several
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years, attacking the people who have attacked him, if that continues that can rub a lot of people the wrong way as well. >> the guy you talked to, craig, is he going to take posters down? is he going to keep posters up? is he still going to be in lance armstrong's corner? he seems to be one of the people that still believes there's more to him than someone who has been lying and cheating. >> reporter: craig says there's no plans to take any of that down. look, in his mind, it's part of history, regardless of what that history might be or how, you know, how it's been influenced or how it got to be history. all of that the jerseys wrap around the corner there, but he says all of that will remain as is. >> is he worried it might anext his business if people are returning bikes and this guy's not who we thought he would be, maybe he wouldn't sell as many bikes, people not believing in it? >> reporter: there's probably that concern. it's interesting, this is mellow
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johnny's, kind of give you a tour, but there's a cafe connected to it. there's also a training center below where we're standering here. there's a lot more going on here. obviously this is a place that is highly connected to lance armstrong in many ways. but it's also done a million other things, bike rides with children and all sorts of events that he put on and sponsor throughout the year. so in very much the same way that the livestrong foundation a few miles away from here is trying to grow beyond being identified with one person that is lance armstrong. many ways the bikes up here, they have to do the same thing. >> ed, we want to bring this. this is just in here. we have a statement that was released by the world anti-doping agency director general, regarding lance armstrong's oprah winfrey interview. the statement reading here only when mr. armstrong makes a full confession under oath and tells the anti-doping authorities all
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he knows about doping activities can any legal and proper process for him seek any real or consideration of his lifetime ban commence. they're looking for statements that are under oath. they do not see the oprah winfrey inter view as being enough to clear his record or clear his name. and certainly not to reverse that ban. ed, thank you very much. we'll be following this very closely in the next hour as well. this woman here, she wore a cross around her next until her employer told her to take it off. so, she took her court -- her fight, rather, to the courts. i'm with sandra who just got these great glasses.
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argument ma she feels she had absolutely the right to wear this very small cross around her neck underneath the nexter chief that she wore has part of her uniform. initially british airways threatened to suspend her. it took the intervention of the most senior anglican in the world, the archbishop of cantor bury. she continued her fight against the british government saying they haven't safeguard her human rights to wear this cross. finally, now after six failures in various different british courts, a european court, one of the highest in the system, ruled in her favor. she explained why she felt so strongly about her right to wear the cross. >> because why should i be made to feel ashamed for wearing my cross, being told off for exercising what i thought was a civil liberty of manifesting my faith by wearing the christian
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cross and other colleagues around me expressing their faith with wear iing sikh bengals or turbines? >> reporter: she's saying this is a huge victory for christians but other christians who brought their cases before the european court in the same time failed. but she certainly is absolutely delighted, jubilant, she said. she jumped up and down with joy when she heard the verdict today. >> what was the beef from british airways? why did they object? >> reporter: well, i think they -- their argument was they wanted a certain sort of image, a corporate image to be presented on check-in. they felt that this cross interfered with that. but as she pointed out, there were other members of staff, muslims, sikhs, allowed to wear, you know, head scarves, turbines and so on. so she felt she was being
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in the mountains of northern mexico, not far from the u.s. border, the mexican army has found a secret stash of high-tech radio gear. they say it was being used by mexican drug cartels to create a communications network. rafael romo checks out some of the equipment. >> reporter: call it radio narco, enough teleconequipment to quhcommunicate across statesd international borders, gear that include antennas and equipment seized by the mexican army. these confiscations allowed us to disrupt and dismantle communications networks used by organized crime and led to the arrest of members of criminal groups, seizure of weapons, techty cal equipment and vehicles. >> reporter: drug cartels are
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operation communication networks that are essentially regional radio stations look a network run by a taxi firm for truckers but way more powerful. they have a very different purpose -- to exchange messages about drug shipments where the security forces might be headed. not surprisingly the equipment found in mexican border states that are drug trafficking transit points. in november, the mexican navy dismantled a clandestine station in the border state of coahuila, capable of broadcasting encrypted signals to nine cities using antennas and transmitters. a telecommunications expert says technology makes it easier and cheaper to operate the radio station, whether legal or not. >> equipment is available to just about everybody and it could be set up in a matter of a few hours. >> reporter: he says the cost of
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installing a radio station could be as low as $5,000. more sophisticated systems can cost up to $30,000. small change for international criminal organizations. and more sophisticated means having the ability to encrypt messages. >> encryption technology that's available in commercial equipment is very, very good. it's easy to detect the use of the system, it's not easy to actually intervene or actually hear what they're talking about. >> can we add that? raphael, i wanted to ask you about this radio network here. what is the range here? it was a combination, mix of high-tech equipment and low tech. it seem like they were able to communicate accurately. >> that's right. the goal here is to try to set up a communications network that reaches through the border. think about places like brownsville, texas, laredo, they set up equipment 100 miles from there on the mexican side so
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they can have this network, operating in places that are considered transit points for drugs, think south of texas, mexican border states, those stations have been found in that part of mexico. >> was it hard to find these places? are they out in the open or hidden pretty well? >> they're in very remote areas. it's not very difficult to find the radio signals themselves. the problem is that they are encrypted, modern technology is allowing mexican drug cartels to buy equipment, the signals are encrypted and it's very difficult to determine what the communications are, in fact, but the signals are there. they are easy to attach. >> appreciate it. 15 days into the new year. well, we're going to ask about resolutions. how are your financial resolutions? we'll take a break and break down the money code to find out why you spend the way you do.
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besides losing weight, it's probably one of most popular new year's resolution, getting a handle on your money. it's not too late. how to view your money and finances so you can make some better decisions. joe duren a charter financial analyst and author of "the money codes, improve your entire financial life right now." that's a tall order. >> it's a tall order. >> but it's fascinating. i love the book. i love the idea, how you break
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down, how you spend money based on your own emotions and feelings. tell us about that, three elements. >> three elements, people are either driven by fear and urge to protect, finding peace of mind, and urge to enjoy life or happiness or a desire to help other people, commitment. and really because money does three things it helps you enjoy life, it helps you take care of things you're afraid of and helps take care of the people you love. when money's involved, you revert to your primary core value. and so for me, i grew up in zimbabwe in a very stressful environment and so my primary driver is fear. my urge is to protect. when i make decisions, my first thought is, how do i protect myself, that is the overwhelm g overwhelmingly largest segment of society driven by fear. next is happiness. next is commitment the reason we wrote the book, people do not think about their emotions. when they make the same mistakes
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over and over it's because emotions are making a decision when it comes to money. >> i want viewers to go to the website here. this is the quiz to determine your money mind. it is here. >> this has to go to honest conversations. >> fascinating. >> honest conversations with an "s." our team took it, most of the team spend money and save money and motivation is fear just like you said. i took the quiz, as well. and the results were 43% fear, 43% happiness. that's how i determined how i spend or how i save. what is that saying. >> a balanced approach. what it says is that you -- that you're very -- it's very unusual, by the way. >> really? >> overwhelmingly, 85% of people have a dominance money mind. it's very unusual for people to have both perspectives. what typically happens as the case for most folks if you're driven by fear you typically delay gratification you don't take trips you don't vacation,
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you don't buy things you want to buy because you want to find safety so you're very good at saving money. after a bad investment, what happens you want to buy when it feels safe which it only feels safe after the market has gone up. one of the things we see, since we are taking care of our clients' entire financial well-being to help them understand their natural biases are going to affect them and make the same mistakes over and over, and we try to hold up a mir somewhere say change course here. you have a balanced approach, good for you. you make it easy. but for a lot of your team, what they need to do is told, listen, it's okay to enjoy life because what happens for many fear money minds they defer enjoyment and gratification, to try to find peace of mind that they never find. folks with lots of money driven by fear still feel a need to find security even when they have more money than you have i have. >> okay to splurge, to allow the
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happiness. >> for all of us, the important thing when you're with -- it's not just for yourself, when you're in a committed relationship, how do you talk about money with other people as well? >> joe, thank you so much. love the book. we're going to have a lot of folks weigh in and take that quiz. thanks again. i'm suzanne malveaux. we are taking an in-depth look at lance armstrong. after years and years of denial and being stripped of his seven tour de france titles he finally talks about doping in an interview with oprah winfrey. now we're going to analyze his cycling career, look how he beat cancer, even take a look back at the 2005 court deposition and also going to be looking for can he actually come back after the scandal? oprah says that armstrong revealed a lot to her but the interview didn't go exactly as she thought it would. >> i would say he did not come clean in the manner that i expected. it was surprising to me. i would say that that for
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myself, my team, all of us in the room, we were mesmerized and riveted by some of his answers. i had prepared, i'd read the recent decision, i watched all of scott pelley's reports, "60 minutes" reports, i read "seven deadly sins" i read "l.a. confidential," david walsh's books i prepared and prepared like it was a college exam, and walked into the room with 112 questions, and in a 2 1/2 hour interview i asked most of those questions, or at least as many of those questions as i could but i feel he answered the questions in a way that he was ready. i didn't get all of the questions asked but i think the most important questions and the answers that people around the world have been waiting to hear were answered.
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and certainly answered, i can only say i was satisfied by the answers. >> just minutes ago we heard from the head of the world anti-doping agency about armstrong's revelations and of course, his efforts to make a comeback. director general david hallman said only when mr. armstrong makes a full confession under oath and tips the anti-doping authority aulgz thies all that about doping activities can any legal and proper process for him to seek any reopening or reconsideration of his lifetime ban commence. for more than ten years, armstrong denied that he was doping. we've all heard about it. 2005 he made the same claim, under oath giving a deposition. this is a lawsuit that he filed against a dallas-based insurer. listen to this. >> you have never taken performance enhancing drug in connection with your cycling career? >> correct. >> and that would include any
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substance that's ever been banned, that is fair to say? >> correct. >> by the way, the lawsuit it was against an insurer that paid huge bonuses to armstrong for winning the tour de france in all of those years. well, of course, he was a superstar athlete, beat the odds, beat cancer as well, lives a lie to all fans and cycling world. what is next for him after this big interview with oprah winfrey? well, can he actually redeem himself? can he rebuild his image? it is all the talk of the town. that is austin, texas, hometown of lance armstrong, headquarters of the livestrong foundation, which he founded to help fight cancer. ed lavandera covering part of the story in austin, texas. you're at the bike shop there. the guy you interviewed at the bike shop, he's still a loyal fan. he's still a friend of lance armstrong. how are most people responding to this? >> reporter: well, it's really
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difficult in a place here. this is mellow johnny's in the heart of downtown austin, lance armstrong is one of the owners, opened up the shop five years ago. a shop that's been a refuge for him. pictures still hang on the wall. seven yellow jerseys up on the wall as well, suzanne. this is a place where he's still kept a great deal of support, even though over the last couple of months and years, that suspicion of how involved lance armstrong was in using performance enhancing drugs started to gnaw away at people. but look here, they're saying we're going to take a look at the bigger picture of lance armstrong, all of the good things that he has done. and all of the good things that they think his friends here think will come of his continued work in trying to redeem himself after making this confession. >> ed, you had an interesting story about somebody, a woman, who brought back a bicycle because it came from that shop. are most people, what did she say to you?
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>> reporter: a story relayed by the general manager here of mellow johnny's who told me a woman had come in recently and bought a bike and then returned it and said, didn't want to buy a bike from that guy, lance armstrong. and you know, obviously this is -- he's one of the owners here. this is a place that they expect that kind of reaction right now. they know that here in the heat of the moment of lance armstrong, after spending a decade of denying performance enhancing drug use all of a sudden he's done an about-face and is ready to confess to using performance enhancers, comes as a big shock to people. outside of the store they realize that circle of influence and that circle of people who support lance armstrong has shrinked considerably in the last few months. >> ed, you have news about the fact reports now that lance armstrong is not going to testify against others. what do we know about that? >> reporter: there have been some reports that one of the
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reaps, one of the speculation why lance armstrong is coming out and making this confession after so many years of denying the performance enhancing drug use is that perhaps that he wanted to get a lesser sentence. he's been banned from competing in competitive sports at the olympic level and that sort of thing. he's been doing triathlons and running a lot and some of the speculation, if he could help investigators, and there has been deals that have been made with other cyclists who have come forward and given investigators information, their sentences have been reduced. so there had been some talk as whether or not lance armstrong was going to talk or confess about others and point the finger at others in the cycling industry that helped him. but a source close to the situation and knowledgeable of what is going on with this situation says there's no plans right now for lance armstrong to point those fingers. so we'll see how this plays out. many questions could be answered when we see the full breadth of
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the interview with oprah winfrey. >> a lot of people waiting very patiently. but still want to see that. it's just days away. we are getting a pretty good idea of what's in the interview. armstrong lost all seven tour de france titles following the huge report by the u.s. anti-doping agency. about portrayed armstrong as a ruthless competitor. recently interviewed on 60 minutes sports, travis revealed a lance armstrong representative tried to make a sizable donation to the u.s. anti-doping agency shortly before the investigation was launched. >> what kind of donation was he interested in making usada. >> a significant financial donation. >> which came to what? from. >> his representatives' offers to us in excess of $150,000. >> like a quarter of a million dollars? >> around that ballpark. >> when you heard that, what did you think?
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>> i was stunned. >> did you feel like you were being bought off? >> it was clear conflict of interest for usada. we had no hesitation in rejecting that offer. >> in a statement, e-mailed to cnn, armstrong's attorney denied the accusation. taking a close look at lance armstrong. of course the scandal that is rocking the sports world. going to hear his entire deposition from 2005. this is when he denied using performance enhancement drugs. wendy walsh will join us next as our special coverage of lance armstrong continues. >> you've never used your own blood for doping purposes, for example? >> that would be banned. >> okay. >> i'm not trying to agitate you. i'm trying to make sure testimony's clear. when you have diabetes... your doctor will say get smart about your weight.
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more than a decade lance armstrong denied using performance enhancing drugs. he repeated that denial over and over and over again. after an interview with oprah winfrey, the talk show host has confirmed that armstrong admitted to doping. psychologist wendy walsh is joining us from los angeles. first of all, who does this? >> who does this? somebody who has a lot to lose. he was clinging on the liability into more lies and more lies, as the numbers built up, endorsements, image or his charity. the image for america on a
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worldwide playing feel. he started to clipping to the lie and believe it because he had to. it was his survival mode. >> is this extreme narcissism? give us a sense of what is going on in the mind of somebody who is capable of doing this. >> you know, we're all capable of lying, suzanne, all of us. in the right situation, all human beings lie. i lie sometimes that the traffic's heavy when i was too late getting out of my house in the morning. we all lie. but this high-level lying, rule violations and consequences, i think more have to do with the elite world that he was in. it's almost like the general public doesn't really understand. all my competitors are using it, we all have to now, this is what we have to do. and really, what's the difference between it and a supplement like a vitamin that people might be taking? so remember, he rationalizes, what i'm doing i'm not saying this is true, i'm saying this how people rationalize in the
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upper ranks and protect the inner circle. >> it's not the first time we've seen high profile individuals denying something, lying in the past. finally the truth comes out. we've seen many examples, barry bonds lying to the grand jury using his own performance enhancing drugs. former president clinton, i covered that whole thing with monica lewinsky affair and anthony weiner lying about sexting pictures and admitting it. is there a sense when people lie over and over they have the capability, they've trans formed something in their head or mind where they can believe what it is that they are saying? >> of course. the more often they lie, the more real it becomes to them. and also at the same time, they're using rationalizations that i told you about. they're sort of justifying it inside themselves as they're repeating the lie over and over again, so it becomes real in a way to them. >> and i want you to take a look at this. this is a deposition, armstrong
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made back in 2005. he is denying this. and i want our audience to pay attention to the body language here. >> how could it have taken place when i've never taken performance enhancing drugs? look, how could that have happened. >> that's my point. it's not you don't recall. >> how many times do i have to say it? >> i'm trying to make sure your testimony's clear. >> it can't be clearer than i've never taken drugs incidents like that can never happen. how clear is that? >> what do you make of that, the attitude? >> little defensive, wouldn't you say? how many times if i have to say? if i never had taken performance enhancing drugs, ask me all you like. he was defensive. he was trying to put a wall up, trying to be em fastic and almost push the interviewer away. i would question this defensiveness in the interview. >> how do you explain this is somebody who also has done an
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incredible amount of good? he's a cancer survivor, starts the livestrong foundation, gets a lot of people to buy the bracelets and feel empowered. how do you explain on one hand he does such good and the other hand he's been lying and cheating for years? >> that's the point. human beings are very complicated people. nobody is all good. nobody is all bad. he's a good person. he's a good person who got caught up in a terrible system, maybe got a little narcissism incentive entitlement when he got into elite circles and felt once he had that power he had to protect it. maybe he thought he was protecting america in some crazy way. yes, he let down a lot of people and, yes, he's still doing a lot of good in the world and that's why human beings are so fascinating. >> he's a fascinating person. wendy walsh, thank you so much. of course, reflecting the fact that he's so fascinating, social immediate. >> reporter: blowing up over the allegations, what he's saying,
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what oprah winfrey is saying and what other folks are saying next.
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cyclist lance armstrong talks about doping to oprah winfrey. but anti-doping officials say armstrong needs to admit to his doping under oath. last hour, i talked with david ziren, author of the new book "game over, how politics have turned the sports world upside down." i asked him what armstrong's apology would mean for him and the sport of cycling. here's what he said. >> lance armstrong is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to performance enhancing drugs and cheating in the world of
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cycling. lance armstrong won seven tour de france titles the reason why now that the titles have been stripped, they haven't been given to second-place finishers every single second place finisher has been found implicated in performance enhancing drugs. the sport's unbelievable. it makes major league baseball look clean in comparison, makes las vegas look like salt lake city. it's the sort of thing that they need to actually now get started and prove that this wasn't just about chasing lance armstrong, the big white whale, this wasn't just about going after him which lance armstrong and his defenders often said, this is about cleaning up the sport. >> how on earth, how do they even start that process? this is a sport that doesn't have much legitimacy when you look at top level cyclists around the globe now. >> yeah, it's very difficult to get started in terms of cleaning the up the sport. the sport itself is very dangerous. if you had the same number of deaths in the national football league that you've had in competitive cycling over the
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last 20 years, there would be congressional investigations on a monthly basis. incredibly physically demanding. what they're asked to do particularly in the tour defense biking up the face of the pyrenees 30, 40 miles an hour, many cyclists off the record, we call the drugs survival drugs. how do you have cycling that's safe, still has fan interest, and that bikers actually feel like they can compete in without putting themselves at risk? that's what cycling faces now. >> lance's career here, you've said before, and people agree, he did the interview because he wants the u.s. anti-doping agency to lift the lifetime ban on him so he can go ahead in his future, perhaps compete in triathlons or other events. is this something that will actually work? >> it's a great question. what he's attempting to do is the public relations equivalent of cycling through the eye of
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the needle. not only does he have to show the u.s. anti-doping agency, an organization he has criticized and cursed for years, they were right, he's wrong, he's contrite, he has to not reveal too much because if he does there's a conga line of lawyers outside his door ready to sue him for every last penny of his $100 million fortune for all of 0 the times that he countersued, won libel suits against newspapers like the sunday times of london, there's the justice department that wants to claim $30 million from him perhaps because of the u.s. postal service endorsement. so he is attempting to do something very difficult with this interview, and that's honestly what i'm looking to watch. not so much did he admit it, but how much does he reveal. >> the interview with oprah winfrey has lit up social media. people posting all over the place, opinions, passionate, pointed. this is cnn facebook page. melinda morgan told us, this guy is a loser and a liar!
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margaret posted, he's not sorry for what he did. he's sorry that he got caught. lance armstrong needs to make a new foundation called cheatstrong. but not everybody is bashing armstrong. megan tweeted this, lance armstrong cheated at a sport nobody cares about, but raised millions of dollars for a cause everyone cares. forgiven in my books. career as professional athlete began in 1987, just 16 years old. but there was always this dark cloud that hovered over him, this cycling glory, those were the doping suspicions. he continued to deny using performance enhancing drugs but oprah winfrey says, and confirms, he was lying. we'll take a look at the repeated denials. at a dry cleaner, we replaced people with a machine. what? customers didn't like it.
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seven years ago, lance armstrong looked like he was on top of his game. this photo shows him with former president george bush taking a bike ride on the president's ranch at crawford, texas. the photo taken in the summer of 2005, about a month after he won his seventh tour de france title. well, that is a title that he no longer holds. ed lavandera is looking at lance armstrong's career.
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>> reporter: it's a script that would make a hollywood writer jealous. cycling athlete gets cancer, nearly dies, but heroically comes back to win the world's most famous race, not once, not twice, but a record breaking seven straight times and, by the way, he also starts a chance foundation which raised $470 million and has provided inspiration to millions around the world. but a dark cloud hovering over this story never blew past, suspicions grew into allegations that lance armstrong used performance enhancing drugs to accomplish his incredible feats. suspicions confirmed in september when thousands of pages of evidence in a sophisticated doping program. armstrong stripped of his tour de france titles and banned from all olympic sports for life. one by one, his sponsors have left him, too. late last year, armstrong was forced out from livestrong, the
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cancer charity he founded. armstrong has kept a low profile at his austin home. but armstrong's repeated denials over the years to protect his name have angers many. seven years ago armstrong denied using steroids under oath in this videotaped deposition. he was sued about a texas-based insurance company that paid massive bonuses to armstrong winning consecutive tour de france titles. >> you have never taken any performance enhancing drug in connection with your cycling career? >> correct. >> and that would include any substance that's ever been banned, is that fair to say? >> correct. >> why don't you give me the definition of what you're using when you say you've never taken any performance enhancing substances. >> anything on the banned list. >> reporter: former teammates went on record. >> did you see lance armstrong using other performance enhancing drugs.
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>> at training camps. >> he took. we all took. really no difference between lance armstrong and, i'd say, the majority of them. >> reporter: repercussions, why is he doing this now? one reason hope that a confession might give him a shot at resuming his competitive triathlon career from which he is banned from life. age 41, he doesn't have much time left to make a clean start in another sport. and this is mellow johnny's bike shop in the heart of downtown austin, texas, partly owned by lance armstrong. one of the few places left for this refuge, of sorts fork him to find people, some of the people who have stood by him the longest and the most steadfast. this news, very difficult. we spoke with the general manager of the store, craig stalely, he's raced and known lance armstrong since they were teenagers, listening to lance go through this confession has been very difficult for him.
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he lives in this town. do you feel people are disappointed in him? s. >> there's a lot of that, sure, naturally. but he does have a lot of supporters still. and that's been impressive and kind of amazing to see here. you know, when everything kind of hit in october the big question was like, what happens to this place? and it was -- nobody really knew. we've seen some drop-off. we've seen some people not come here any longer. the first week we had a lady return her bike, i don't want to buy my bike from that guy. it's understandable. but overall, what we've seen is we've seen a lot of people that still want to come here and still take pictures and there are still supporters of lance, the person. >> reporter: and suzanne, the pictures of lance armstrong, the seven tour de france jerseys, still on the wall. craig stalely says they have no intention of bringing those down in any way. they'll leave them up there. >> ed, thank you. during his 2005 deposition, armstrong denied, denied,
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denied. we'll listen to the entire deposition as our special coverage continues.
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husband after she refused to cover up armstrong's use of these illicit substances. when she first learned about all of that during a hospital visit. here's how he responds. >> you attended the deposition of miss betsy andrew, did you not? >> correct. >> and you heard her testimony regarding certain statements you were alleged to have made in a conference room at the indiana university hospital, correct? >> i heard the statements, correct. >> okay. i'm going to ask you about those now, transitioning to ask you about those. first, do you deny the statements that miss andrew attribute butted to you and the indiana university hospital? >> 100%, absolutely. >> do you also deny what mr. andrew said regarding those statements? >> 100%. >> did you disclose to any medical professional at the hospital there -- well let me rephrase that. did any medical person ask you, while you were at the indiana
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university hospital, whether you had ever used any sort of performance enhancing drugs or substances. >> no, absolutely not. >> that never came up? as part of your treatment, no one ever asked you that? >> no. >> can you offer or can you help explain to me why miss andrew would make that story up? >> what she said in her deposition, she hates me. >> you believe she's making that story up to get back at you or to cause you harm? >> when she's making up that she hates me? >> no. she's -- according to you, the story was she said she specifically heard you say stuff and -- >> right. >> she testified she took mr. andrew out and confronted him whether or not he was doing the same thing, you recall that testimony. >> vaguely. i have no idea why she did that, other than she hates me. >> okay. obviously you had a relationship with her, you knew her, you go back sometime with her and i'm
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asking -- >> i knew her very little. not very well. >> why would mr. andrew say the same things, if you know? >> probably to support his wife, which i don't know if you're married or not -- >> i am. >> -- sometimes is required. >> so you think -- is it your testimony that mr. andrew was also lying when he said that he heard you say those things regarding your prior use. >> 100%. but i feel for him. >> what do you mean by that? >> i think he's trying to back up his old lady. >> i want to make sure. it's not that you don't remember whether the indiana hospital
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room incident occurred, it infirmatively did not take place. >> how could it have taken place when i've never taken performance enhancing drugs? how could that have happened. >> my point. you're not -- >> how many times do i have to say it? >> i'm trying to make sure your testimony's clear. >> if it can't be any clear than i've never taken drugs, incidents could never have happened. how clear is that? >> i think it's clear. can i ask you additional questions as a follow-up on that? >> sure. >> you have never taken any performance enhancing drug in connection with your cycling career? >> correct. >> and that would include any substance that's ever been banned, is that fair to say? >> correct. >> why don't you give me the definition of what you're using when you say you've never taken performance enhancing substances. >> anything on the ban list. >> for example, would that
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include that you've never used your own blood for doping purposes, for example? >> that would be banned. >> okay. i'm not trying to agitate you. i'm trying to make sure the testimony's clear, okay? >> okay. >> all right. i understnd that you find allegations regarding that to be agitating but i'm just asking you questions, okay, i'm not trying to insult you. fair enough? >> fair enough. >> that was armstrong back in 2005, coming up you'll hear what he says about the blood boosting hormone known as epo. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] some day, your life will flash before your eyes. ♪ make it worth watching. ♪ the new 2013 lexus ls.
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we're bringing you lance armstrong in his own words, denials, repeated denials in a deposition back in 2005. armstrong went to court against an insurance company that would not pay him performance bonuses. in this portion of the deposition, armstrong is being questioned about his early tour de france victory when according to sworn affidavits, armstrong's drug of choice was the blood boosting hormone known as epo. >> when you rode in '99 and 2000 tour de france, you did note there was no test for epo? >> i have no way of knowing. you have to assume that's the best assumption. >> well, is it your testimony that you didn't know in connection with your
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participation in '99 and 2000 tour de france races that there was no test being administered for the presence of epo? >> well if the question is, did i read a public announcement that the epo test is ready to go and will be implemented in '99 or 2000, they didn't say that so -- >> i'm not trying to imply anything by this. i'm trying to find out your state of mind with respect to what you know is being tested for, that's all. >> what's -- i think it would be fair to say in 2000, for example, they didn't have the epo perfected. so perhaps athletes could have taken epo and gotten away with it. but it was great for us was that we were formerly investigated in france and all of our samples were seized at a time when you could have taken epo because they didn't have the test ready, but all of the samples were
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tested with this method and were clean. >> what about the '99 samples that were reported in the story? i'm going to ask you some questions about that. first, obviously you've had an opportunity to review the story and the writing that was -- >> i didn't read the story but -- >> you certainly had a translator? >> the entire story? >> yeah. >> no. >> i mean you -- you surely didn't appear on tv and talk about it and never read the whole thing? >> of course. >> okay. all right. fair enough. do you know whether or not the samples which have been identified as yours are, in fact, yours? >> i have no idea. i -- i can only believe that they -- there are not minor have been manipulated because when i pi. sed in the bottle, as i told you earlier, having never taken performance enhancing drug, when
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i pissed in the bottle there was no epo in the piss or urine. as the article said, the accused cannot defend himself. so i have a clear conscience going on tv, without reading the article, because the first paragraph says, oh, by the way he cannot defend himself. >> well, i guess there's a third possibility, which is the test is just wrong, right? >> i'm not a scientist. i don't know. i know that without proper procedure and protocol that you cannot defend yourself. >> okay. mr. armstrong, i want to ask you some questions regarding some sometimes that m.o. riley has made. first, can you identify for us who m.o. riley is and the relationship to you was? >> she was a massage therapist on the team in '88, '89. >> when did she depart the team?
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>> i believe 2000. >> what was -- >> i think. yeah, 2000. >> what were the circumstances surrounding her departure? did she leave voluntarily? was she fired? did she move on? >> i don't recall. but i don't think it was friendly. >> okay. she has identified or said either to mr. walsh or to others that at one point in time during a tour de france race, during a race, you asked her to dispose of some syringes. are you familiar with her statement regarding that? >> i'm familiar with that statement. >> is there any truth to that statement? >> absolutely not. >> so i guess my question is the part about her story that's untrue, maybe it's both parts, first of all, you ner asked her to dispose of any syringes? >> correct. >> but would you ever have had syringes on you to be disposed in connection with any race? >> me?
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>> yes. >> no. >> so it's not just that you never asked her to dispose of any syringes, there were no syringes for you to ask her to dispose of? >> no, that would be the doctor's responsibility. >> now the white house is weighing in on this scandal around armstrong. we just heard from the spokesman, jay carney, in the briefing room. and he talks about what the president's impression is of all of this. take a listen. i haven't spoken with him about lance armstrong. and i -- i know there are reports about what he said in this interview. i haven't seen the interview yet. the president feels very strongly that it's inappropriate to use performance enhancing drugs and that any steps that any individual athlete takes or organizations take to reduce their use or eliminate them are good things.
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oprah winfrey says the reports of lance armstrong doping are confirmed, after years of denials. but he's not only accused of doping, some of his strongest testimony against armstrong came from a new zealand cyclist, steven shwart. he stated armstrong and members of his team offered a $50,000 bribe to shwart and his team to throw the final two legs of a
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series of races in 1993. according to him, armstrong was focused on getting $1 million bonus for whoever won all three races. >> that's a business we took it -- we took the business option. >> was mr. armstrong present when this took place, this conversation? >> yes. >> did he actually make the offer? >> i think it was coincided with phil's agreement, yes. >> what happened if they didn't win? would you get the bonus? >> no, we didn't get the bonus. >> did you guys agree to keep this quiet? >> yes. was that specifically mentioned, let's keep it quiet? >> yes. >> lance armstrong vehemently denied the allegations made by swart. here what happens he said. >> there's an allegation by mr. swart regarding an effort to secure the outcome of a series
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of races involving you. are you aware of that? >> i've heard the comments. >> is there any truth to with attempting to fix the outcome of some races in which you were involved? >> no, not true. >> did you in fact -- he recounts three races you had to win, to earn a million dollar bonus. do you recall those three races and actually earning the million dollar bonus? >> i do. >> were you in fact paid the million dollar bonus? >> well, it was not exactly like the lottery, like any other insurance deal. the option was, $50,000 over 20 years or one time payment of another lump sum. like any other cycling event, the money is split amongst the team. so did i receive a million dollars? no. >> okay. did you take the lump sum or -- >> yeah, we took the lump sum. >> okay. and then some of that went to you and some of that went to the team?
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>> correct. >> do you remember what the lump sum was or -- >> i don't remember. >> okay. that's why you described it like the lottery, you get a discount on a lump sum. >> i think they get either a lump sum or -- >> okay. >> consistent payments over x amount of years. >> do you know why mr. swart would say these things? >> like i said earlier, i have no idea why, other than like riley he was paid for his testimony and needed the money. >> but other than that, do you have any other suggestion that mr. riley was making up this in exchange for money other than the fact that he received some compensation? >> just the team, afraid we were going to out her, you know, the
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other things that she said. primarily, i have to confess, i think it was a major issue with johan. >> just watched lance armstrong's entire deposition from 2005. coming up, how he could fully face criminal and wire fraud charges. >> never taken performance enhancing drugs. how could that happen? >> that's my point. it is not just simply that you don't recall -- >> how many times i do have to say it? >> i want to make sure your testimony is clear. >> if it is not clear i've never taken drugged --
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so what could his admission of cheating actually do to lance armstrong when it comes to the legal repercussions? paul kalyn is joining us. paul, first of all, there is a lot that already happened here. he's been stripped of all seven of his tour de france tight lz by t and you have a statement from the world anti-doping agency director, only when mr. armstrong makes a full confession under oath and tells anti-doping authorities all he knows about doping activities can any legal or proper process for him to seek any reopening or reconsideration of his lifetime ban commence. so, what's next? >> well, i think what's next is we first have to see precisely what he tells oprah winfrey in this interview. you know, she hedged a bit in
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some of the press accounts i saw today saying that when he came clean, he didn't do it in the way she expected that he would. and i'm wondering if he's very careful with his words. and the reason i say that, suzanne, is because depending upon what he admits to precisely in the interview, that will determine whether criminal charges could still be lodged against him. it would also determine how strong the civil cases will be against him, because bear in mind, lots of agencies, lots of companies that used him for endorsements may now want their money back saying it was based on a fraud and he could face a number of lawsuits in the civil side. amounting to tens of millions of dollars. >> do they have a case? because you're talking about companies like nike, anheuser-busch, could they get money, demand money from him? >> i think they do have a case. and i'll just outline a couple of them. you start out, by the way, with the u.s. postal service team, $30 million went into financing that team and, of course, it has
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been stripped of the awards that were won, largely on the basis of lance armstrong's performance. you could have a lawsuit for $30 million saying that that team was based on fraud. the fraudulent claims of lance armstrong. there has been a whistle-blower lawsuit filed by one of the members of the team. there is a law that says if you expose fraud, you can be compensated. the u.s. government may say lance armstrong should be responsible for that award. and then you have companies, as you say, like nike and other companies that depended upon his good reputation to market their products, and they could claim that they have been defrauded. so lots of potential civil lawsuits against lance armstrong, depending upon what he tells oprah in that interview. >> and if you're a lawyer, on either side, if you're lance armstrong's lawyer or you're on the anti-doping side, you're one of the agencies, these bodies looking at his record, what are you looking for in that interview? >> well, i'm looking for a precise admission to the use of performance-enhancing drugs and
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blood doping. i'm looking for him to say he actually did that. because you notice he rather brazenly in that deposition that was just played denies and he says i've made it clear as day i've never used performance-enhancing drugs. he denies all allegations of wrongdoing. we want to see if he makes an admission. the second thing i'm sure his lawyers are looking at and worrying about, suzanne, is would the justice department want to come back at him again. they had an investigation going in 2010-2011 that they walked away from. now they have got egg on their face. if he steps forward and says, you know something, i lied, and i was lying all along. so will the feds want to try to reopen a mail fraud or wire fraud case against him? that's a possibility. once again, depending upon what he tells oprah. >> and, paul, i want to talk here about the possibility of redemption here. this is an individual who raised

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